“I like to go to work! I mean I stay home, after I marry, I stay home maybe 5-6 months and I say “What kinda life is this?” To stay home for what, at 17 you stay home? My ambition was to go outside, to go, to learn, to see it, to have money (laughs) I never wanted to stay home. Then Ida Maria was home, so two people, inna small house, whatta you gonna do all day? So then I start to go to work.”
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Published by : Maria Lepore
Astratta di Progetto
This exhibit focuses on the story of my grandmother, who I call Nonna, Ida Paolucci. It is the story of her life spent in Fossacesia, Italy and Toronto, Canada. My nonna was born in Fossacesia, a coastal town in the Chieti Province of Abruzzo, Italy. She was born in 1943 and does not remember World War II, but her experiences have been influenced by the war in years after. The youngest child in a family of five, she was never given a proper chance until she leaped at an opportunity for a new life. She came to Canada in December of 1960 at the age of 17 when my grandfather, Tony Paolucci, had sent a letter and photo of himself asking her to come to Canada so they could wed. My nonna says this was all thanks to destiny. While I heard some of her stories growing up, I have never had the opportunity to sit with her and listen to her talk about her life until now. This project has given my nonna and I a chance to discuss her life in Italy and Canada. She grew up on a family farm with chickens, ducks, cows, even a horse. She left Fossacesia and came to Toronto, where she worked in a factory, got her drivers license, and raised two children. She discusses her childhood memories, the mentality of the older generations around her in her youth, and brings up the regret of not having a chance to get an education.
While my project is more personal and deals with my family, I think it illustrates an intimate depiction of an older generational working woman. Listening to her recount experiences of being told she could not go to school, to not learn how to drive, to do things traditionally by her friends and family, and yet how she fought back was amazing to listen too. She explains how one of her regrets is that she was never able to attend school to “become sombody”. Things became emotional at this point in the interview. While she never recieved a formal education, she is incredibly wise and so ambitious. Much of her life, she was told my other people what she should and should not do. However, being the stubborn and ambitious woman she is, she did not listen. My initial intention for this project was to understand my heritage more, I thought that speaking with my nonna about where our family is from would be more of a “understanding my ancestry” journey. Instead, it became something much more personal.
This exhibit recounts the story of a woman who wanted more, and leaped at opportunities that presented themselves. It is the story of a young woman leaving her family to come to a new country and marry a man she vaguely knew. A woman who worked hard to create a beautiful life for her family. A woman who did not want to be told what she should or should not do by anybody, and did not let anyone push her around.
My nonna and I truly hope you enjoy this exhibit as it is something that has created something special for both of us.
Intervista di Ida Paolucci – Trascrizione
Me: Okay, so…
Ida: So, you wanna know when I was a baby?
Me: (laughing) Let me ask, do you want me to ask in English or Italian?
Ida: (laughing) No, doesn’t matter…
Me: Yeah, so what was, from what you remember being in Italy, when you were younger because I know you were there until you were 17-
Ida: Yeah, 17.
Me: Yeah, so what was that like?
Ida: Well that was after the war, was not much, especially for the baby. For young, kids was nothing. To go to school you have, I have to walk 3 miles, no 3 kilometers to go in the town and 3 kilometers come down to home. Was far away, there was not a school bus, we have to walk. In the winter, in the summer. And I remember we use to have, um, class in the morning and class in the afternoon so there was only 4 hours, 8 to 12, to 1 to 5. So, because I was far away in the winter time, like in November December, 4 o’clock it was dark. So, I remember the teacher let me go half an hour-
Ida: Early, to go. But still to walk 3 kilometers (laughs) it was not a smooth road, there was hop in the hill…
(My nonno came in and inturupptted at this point. He and my nonna speaking Italian, and I had to move my car out of their driveway. There was a pause in the audio recording at this point, and we continued shortly after.)
Me: Anyways, um, so you were telling me about…
Ida: To go to school
Ida: Okay, the road was not easy. It was up in the hill, I know your mom, when she came there was asphalt, it was ok, but before no. An’ What I remember we use to work in the farm, and um, that’s my life there. Was no toys, was no TV, was no phone, was no hydro. I done remember…when I left Italy to have electricity in the house, we used to have a lampione with the oil, and um, I use to play with chicken, ducks, (laughs) with sheep, with tha little lamb, with the cow, we use to have cow, with the horse. Um, but we was happy. Our life was easy, we used to eat whatever was available, was just uh in the feast was a meat or, you know, special food. That was right after the war so, after I left, Italy’s changed. I know my family, my brother my sister, they have a better life…but when I came no. Was not exciting to be there. Um…it was not…the mentality of those people, was awful. Special the old people, you didn’t wasn’t allowed to talk with any boys (laughs) even if you looka the boy, you was a bad girl. Um, you have to respect the old people, and uh, we was in a small town…everybody knows. Even if you, uhhhh whatever you did, everybody knew. And everybody, if you did something if you make, see somebody, an old people and you didn’t say good morning you was a bad girl, you was uh, so (pauses)…and I didn’t like that. I didn’t like that life.
Me: yeah that doesn’t sound grea-
Ida: I used to love to sing and didn’t even wasn’t allowed to sing! You know, if you was walking…we used to have a well to get the water to bring, to drink, to cook, to wash ourselves and uh, it was not…that’s why I don’t wanna remember that.
Me: That’s okay we don’t have to talk about-
Ida: No, no no there ok. But I’m saying it’s not what…now it’s different. So that’s why…and then the opportunity came to fall in love, and at 16 I said no I don’t like this life.
Me: How did you, sorry yeah? (She looked as though she was about to say more)
Ida: Eh, so that’s why. How did I met your husband, ah uh, grandfather? (laughs)
Me: Yeah, how did that happen?
Ida: Well, he use to have a piece of land not too far from my house. So he use to pass by all the time, I know we was kid but I mean it, uh, he was 4 years older when he came, but at 12 you remember if the boy go by…so and then he phon- eh, write to his uncle so his uncle ask me if I wanna to marry him. First my parents was not happy, not because for him, he was a good family so that’s why… the marriage was like that, you know you look at the marriage, the family, if they a good family, what kinda people they are. So nonno’s people was a good family, was not a rich family but was a good family. And um, so, because I was the baby in the family I have two brother and one sister before me (laughs) and din’t was married. So in Italy, that was the thing the older people have to marry first and then the young, so the oldest sister was married but the other sister was 20 she wasn’t engaged either, my brother one of them was in the army and the other was just coming home was in the army, was 21-22? And um, so that’s why my parents didn’t want me to married. But anyway…I believe in destiny because everyone was say no. And I didn’t say no no, or no yes, but inside my heart it was yes. So, finally, (laughs) I get somebody- maybe God convince- to let me go. And um, yeah, that’s my story, in Italy. I have good things and bad things to remember.
Um, I wish I could go to school…because my ambition was to go to school, to be um, to be a hairdresser, to be a dressmaker, to be somebody in my life…but I couldn’t. Everybody, in there it’s um…first of all to go to school you have to go outta town. And you need the money, to go, because there was not a transportation, you go by train or by bus and uh, there was a lotta money involved. So, because I was the baby in the family, everything I decide I wanna do it, my brother or my sister said, “well you know I didn’t do it, so why she has to do it?” (laughs) That’s one thing, I hate my family for that, that they din (didn’t) give a chance to nobody. And, so that’s why, and then uh…okay (She started laughing and began to tear up at this point and cry a little.)
Me: do you want to stop? Wanna take a break?
Ida: (giggling and crying) Ah, yeah. (laughing)
(Audio was paused until she was ready to talk again).
Ida: I wanted the big doll, you know. You know, there was, there was a feast in our town…um they used to, come le bancarelle, you know they sellin’ all kinds of toys. You know like when you go in the exhibition (CNE in Toronto) and there was one guy, um, they used to have doll this high (gestures the height) and I was fall in love with this doll. (laughs) I think I was 11, 12, I was a big girl, I mean now 11, 12 they think there baby but there, 11, 12 you was a woman, you was a grow up. So I remember I met this guy, if you have a old sweater, but it have to be wool because the wool they can recycle, and they can do more material, I dunno how many kilo’s of wool you needit, woo, worl? Worl or wool?
Ida: Wool. And I said, and I remember when my mom used to, y’know, took the sweater we use to knit and it ripped so I remember I used to put ‘em on top of the roof there it’s a…whatta ya call… well… okay
Me: like the rafter?
Ida: No, no no, eh…okay
Me: It’s okay
Ida: Anyway I use to put ‘em away because I say “One of these days I’m gonna have one of those dolls, one doll at least” So I remember I call the guy I say “I think I have three kilo’s” I don’t remember how many kilos you need it, but it was not enough. And I couldn’t get the doll (laughing) So once in a while my sister remember me this, and we talk about it (laughs) The good days. The, eh, I mean it’s…we used to have…because we has a 5 kids in the family, the Sunday morning there was a feast. Everybody was singing, everybody was happy because we was gonna go to church. And then um, mom use to have a chicken or some piece of meat so everyone was happy. Um, instead here now it’s on a Sunday everyone is mushy, even on Christmas day it’s not exciting the food that you gonna have on the table because you can have that everyday. But then, if you have uh a, because we always have homemade pasta so when you have a bought pasta it was something special. (laughs, coughs) But yeah, so was okay. (pauses) I think we din have nothing, but we used to invent to play.
Me: When you were little?
Ida: Yeah, well until even 12, 13 in the spring time, because uh, everyone had a big family. 4, 5 kids and uh the house was not far. So then we use to get together and we use to have fun in the spring or in the winter time. In 1956, we have the first snow in Fossacesia
Ida: And I remember, uh, for us was we never saw the snow. I mean we saw the snow in the mountains from our house, we can see the snow in the mountain but we can never feel it but that time it was maybe a foot, we get up in the morning and say “My god look at the snow” and it was so fun. So we used to play, um, we use to invent it. We use to invent the ice cream, we use to take the snow and put the wine and then drink it, (laughs) pretends it was (laughs) yeah. That was then, that was then. I think in my generation it’s a generation that we seeing so much uh, progress in the family
Ida: We were the war, people was poor but whatever you have, I mean if you have a farm you never be, go back, go hungry. But I know a lotta people who used to have nothing, they use to go home hungry, they use to go to bed hungry. But for us, uh you know we have pasta we have a ch-ch-, beans, potatoes, uh, olives, oil, wine. So for us was not…food we had enough. But I know lotta people went to be hungry…they din’ have nothing. And they use to come and ask, begging for food. I remember my mom used to give beans and flours, uh farina, to those people. Make a charity…so that’s what it was. And after, you know everything came uh, more, the government help…after they ship so many outta the country (laughs) They ship lotta outta the country. So that was my, my baby. But I was a rebel all the time, whatever cross my mind I have to do it.
Me: Yeah? Like what?
Ida: Eh…I (laughs) I use to climb every tree, I use to be like a monkey, I yeah, probably if was a different time, I probably coulda be a runner, a somebody. Because I use to be real atheletic, I use to run (laughs) but don’t forget, I was so skinny…so…and I use to run…um…my mom she never can catch me when she has to spank me (laughs) Nobody can catch me, I was a speedy gonzolas, I really, I was a big runner. But like I said, the opportunity was not there, um, then…it’s uh, it’s what it was. I wish I be born maybe 20 years later (laughs) 20 years later there was a different time, but I was a, a war baby. So was not much. That’s the way, Maria.
Me: Do you um, do you remember like, when you left Italy? Like what it was like when you were leaving?
Ida: Ma eh, there was a dream, um. You know, now when you go places you see in the news, you see in the TV, you read the book…you just leave. You just leave and you dunno where you going. Y’know at 17, the only time I went once to Rome, once to Pescara, one times to Lunciano (laughs) it’s not that you travel, I was there…your town and uh go to swim in the beach, but it was once in a while you can’t go everyday. You just go there. We went to Napoli and we took the boat…when I saw the boat oh my god it was huge. So, you go, it’s in the destiny. Whatever happen, happen. You didn’t know. It’s when you, somebody put you inside a box, and they ship you, you dunno if you get there or not. And uh, so the boat, was to me was huge, but in the ocean was not huge, it was a small boat (laughs). The boat was gonna go up and down…I was sick all the time. I think the last couple a days, once in a while, there was a lady with us she was married she was from New York, and there was us 4 girls, we was coming to the boyfriend.
Me: Did you know them from Fossecesia or you met on the boat?
Ida: No, no met on the boat. But this lady, I guess she been travel, she had the family in New York…so she says one morning “you know what girls even if you get sick, you have to go up and get some air” And you don’t see nothing, you just see the wave (giggles), I remember now, the wave. There was, you in the middle of nowhere. You just see the wave and the boat go (hand motions up and down) and you get sick (laughs). Yeah, so, anyway, so when that’s we arrive in Halifax in the morning, we didn’t hear the boat. Everything was shutting down…I said, “oh my god…maybe we sink!” (laughs) and then we all went up, I dunno, some guy, I mean uh the people they say we arrive to New York, to a uh, to Halifax. So, we all went up in the deck there, to see it, you see the light far away. And there was, that’s something I try to, cause I don’t wanna remember, I try to remember… they make us to go like a factory, like a sh (I don’t know what she’s saying here), it was all suitcase, la baule, and then we went through the custom and they put us on the train. On the train, there was a wood seat (laughs)
Me: (sarcastically) So comfortable
Ida: So comfortable, oh, after ten days in the ocean (laughs) that was really comfortable. But the funny part, the only thing that really amaze me because when the train get off, start, it’s only you see a little house full a snow, with the chimney…and everybody have the clothes hanging outside! (laughs)
Me: It was winter when you came?
Ida: Two days before Christmas.
Me: Oh, wow.
Ida: I think we land in the 21st, and I came to Toronto in the 23rd. Yeah..it was 2 nights and 1 day.
Me: What year was this?
Ida: 19…1961, no 60. 1960. That was amaze me (phone starts ringing….so we waited for it to finish) Ok…somebody… it’s okay. So yeah, that’s why it was amazing. So it took two nights and one day to come to Toronto.
Me: By train?
Ida: By Train, yeah. And uh, so they told us to do some shopping. I mean I came with a family because 17 you can’t travel by youself, you need someone who responsible for you, so the family they came husband and wife and two kids.
Me: But you didn’t know them?
Ida: No, no yeah, they was in my street. I know them
Me: Oh okay…
Ida: Otherwise I didn’t was gonna come, they know me and I know them. And um, I went shopping and I remember there was the English bread…so.. (laughs) It’s so soft, I dunno about…We bought the can of corned beef, but I don’t remember if I eat or not…There was no coffee no water…now everybody bring a bottle of water I don’t think I eat or drink. And I remember when I get home, you know in Toronto, I was so hungry. So hungry. And I remember Ida Maria had a, on top a the fridge they have uh artificial fruit, you know the plastic, that now its not use anymore but then it was plastic fruit. And I remember there was a big bunch a grapes, oh my god I was lookin’ those grapes (laughs) Oh, yeah, well Maria…Was not easy but I made it. I’m happy that I did it what I did…and….was ok…was ok…in that time was okay, I was young…I was young and stupid (laughs) But one thing if I have to do it again, I woulda do again, um…I don’t regret anything what I did…um…I try it to do my best, but til now that I’m 76 almost, I regret I couldn’t go to school. That’s one thing really, I regret. But, it’s too late, it’s too late (laughs) Even when I came, I wanna do the hairdresser, I love to fool with hair…that was really, even here….
Me: Why, why um…
Ida: Because you have to go to school…and, um, I mean the mentality that I left in Italy, I find over here too. When you live in the same street with relative, not my relative because I had nobody but Nonno relative
Me: Nonno’s family?
Ida: Nonno Tony relative, and they was even worst. (laughs) They was even worst. So I said, no okay, I don’t want it my name to be around, to be, you know, somebody that I’m not. Um, people use to critize for no reason…they didn’t, I dunno if it was for jealously, for the ignorance because they don’t know any better, I dunno what it was…nobody at that time, they was in their 50s those women, in the 45, for me was an old, maybe 80…but was really really old mentality. They didn’t say oh they 17, 18, they young you know let them have fun…so what…no. Even when I start to go to work, they use to criticize me “Why you have to go to work” That was nobody business. I like to go to work.
Me: You liked to go to work?
Ida: I like to go to work! I mean I stay home, after I marry, I stay home maybe 5-6 months and I say “What kinda life is this?” To stay home for what, at 17 you stay home? My ambition was to go outside, to go, to learn, to see it, to have money (laughs) I never wanted to stay home. Then Ida Maria was home, so two people, inna small house, whatta you gonna do all day? So then I start to go to work
Me: Where were you working?
Ida: I start working where they use to do perfume, hairspray, stuff like that because Zia Anetta use to work in there and lotta, people that I know they use to work there. So they took me there, and I use to enjoy it, I use to like it…That’s where I learn to speak English a little bit…I use to fight (laughs) We was discriminated, that’s one thing…
Me: Like, how?
Ida: Well uh, there was lotta Scottish people, lotta English people, Mangiacake I dunno nationality it was, to me there it was all English all Canadian…They use to be jealous of us. And then, even the supervise they use to give all the dirty job to us, because we dunno how to speak English whatever they use to tell us we use to do it. Because we need to go to work, they say those people they knew the language so they say “No that’s too heavy for me” So we have to stack the skid, the box, like uh 24 hairspray in the box, it’s heavy, if you do it 2 hours, every 2 hours we change. You know you do that 2 hours…
Me: You get muscles…
Ida: (laughs) yeah, it was heavy it was hard…you cant say no I’m not gonna do it because they can fire you, there was no union you know so that’s why…The Italian was discriminated in 60, 61 up to the eh…80s? 70s, 80s? Then the union start to get more involved. It was ok, then we use to speak more English, know our rights know what it was…But then was discriminated…So yeah, use to go to work. Those people use to say, why did I have to go to work? But… that was me. I use to fight back…as long I know what I doing, I don’t care what the people say. A long you didn’t do nothing bad, you can walk with your face up and look to the people say listen “You can say anything to me but I know what I am, I know what I doing…I don’t do nothing wrong so that’s their problem that not mine” So that’s what I use to go, and that was same thing when I learn how to drive…
Ida: (laughs) Ohhh, eh (laughs) People, they, they jealous. People they’re jealous. They want you to be, when you’re in trouble, they happy. They pretend to be you friend, to be nice to you, but they not, they not. That’s the time they can shovel the knife in you heart and really punch you. So yeah, they use to be jealous because I don’t fight with my mother in law…they use to be jealous of me. I use to feel the jealousy in me…I use to dress, the first long dress in the 70s, the long dress I remember I went to the wedding with the long dress, (laughs) and I still have upstairs. Was a beautiful long dress…and people use to talk because I have a long dress, oh well…And then the next wedding because every week, every month we use to have a wedding, people, everybody, Nonno’s cousin use to have a long dress. So, but I don’t care. I use to dress the way I wanted. Eh, Maria. People is bad…people is bad, but I don’t let ‘em win.
Me: When you, um…You got along with Nonno’s mom?
Ida: Oh, yes.
Me: That’s good, you were living with just them?
Ida: We li- (laughs) When I came, Maria, um, there was, we have two, four, three bedroom upstairs…two bedroom upstairs… and there was a little kitchen because people use to rent the flat. People couldn’t afford to go the apartment so we use to have a flat, in the basement and inna top. There was Zia Arnetta with Joanna, and was my mother in law, my father in law because was still alive then…and was us two…so, we was two family. But every Friday night, not only Friday. Friday, Saturday, Sunday, our house was a, a hotel. Well, yeah, was people walk by and it not like now people phone and say “Can I come visit you?” Then was uh, people come, and that’s it you open the door you have to get ready all the time, whatever you have put ‘em in the table because if you don’t people criticize you because you can’t afford or whatever…and um…yeah. What was I gonna say now… No, I get along with my mom because first of all I have no family here, I have two cousin an I have uh….um…my father’s cousin with the family and they use to live next door to us and, but, we never get along…So I didn’t have no family and really Ida Maria, she took me like her daughter…she, she understood. And she was a modern woman because she like me to get dress nice, she never say oh “Why you buy this? Don’t, people gonna talk” She always say “You like it? Buy it, it look nice in you buy it” She never say don’t go to the move because, she say it “Well I couldn’t do it in my life, so I want you to do it” So she was that type of person, and she really teach me to be what I am now. No, no I never fight with my mother in law. I took everytime, that was funny because, everytime I use to go walk in St.Clair and go to the store, sometime you need the shoe, I use to call her mom…and people say oh that’s you mom I say no my mom in law and people look at me they go “Your mother in law you take her with you?” I say, “yeah!” I was proud to take her with me. She always say buy this, matter fact I try to save some money she say “No, buy this” I say, “That’s more money” She say, “No but it’s more nice” So she always, encourage me to buy something-
Me: That you want…
Ida: That I wanted. Yeah, um…no I never fight, I really respect her. She always encourage me to go places, um, whatever I decide ….matter fact if was not for her I wouldn’t have a driver licesne today.
Ida: Yes. Yeah…
Me: She wanted you to-
Ida: She want me to drive, because she likes to go places (laughs) And she figure, after when we move from St.Clair, St.Clair you have everything the store you know, but after when we move in Allenhurst, there was no busses, Royal York was no busses. So we use to wait for Nonno to come home on a Saturday to go to St.Clair. And naturally, Nonno Tony, you know he was busy too, to cut the grass inna summertime, whatever was supposed to do it, and he say “No” He use to get mad at us… (phone ringing) Is it your mom?
(My mom kept calling Ida’s house, I forgot to tell my mom I got to her house okay. There is a pause in the audio.)
Me: Sorry, so, Nonno would come home and then…
Ida: Yeah, and the um, so and then I said Okay, Im gonna learn how to drive. And um, so I said one Sunday, Nonno said Ok, I’m gonna teach you how to drive, but you have to take, I use to, I went to the transportation thing to get the book, and Nonno he didn’t help me, because I don’t think he was happy (laughs) he never admit it but I don’t think he was happy for me to learn how to drive, because none of the relative was driving, so I was the first one. Well, and um, so I use to take the book, so when I work, I changed jobs so when I work where they use to do the fan, the mirror, the electrician stuff, so there was a French Canadian girl, in the morning we use to take the busy together on Scarlett Road, and she help me. And I, you know, I study, and thing I Don’t understood she help me and explain to me whatever, so when I was ready in the spring. I say to Nonno “Ok, take me to get the 60 days” and he said “I don’t think you gonna get it” I said, “Okay, if I don’t get it…ok” So I went in, everything was right, so I went out, he was waiting for me outside…I went out with the yellow paper and I say “EH! I got it!” (laughs) I got it, yeah. So, then I learn how to drive. So, oh my god when I took the license, my god the relative was talking, and the funny part was, after me everybody was getting go to driver license, and I said “what a son of a gun” First they have to talk and then they copy. So that’s why I learn, my mother in law was so happy because you know in the days it was 10 o’clock you say “Oh whatta you gonna do today?” “Why don’t we go out” “Okay! Let’s go out” We use to take the kids to school and then we go out. (laughs) Yeah, she was happy. Ida never, I talk to the doctor, I spent two months with her in the hospital…from 6 in the morning til 10-11 o’clock at night…too bad, she die too young. (pauses) Yeah, that’s my life (laughs) Now you know. (laughs)
Me: (laughs) Thank you for sharing it.
Ida: It’s nice to remember….good things, bad things, but I guess if you don’t go through your life you don’t remember anything. Life is, what it is, destiny what it is…
Me: You believe in that?
Ida: I believe it, I do. I believe in the destiny. Whatever, um…after you went through you life you think “Well lotta thing you coulda change” yes. Because now you have more experience, more think, but it has to be happen, it happen. There’s nothing you can do.
Ida: Some stupid thing you can change…because if you have the you know, if you know something is gonna happen why did you do it you know that’s not the right thing to do it why you do it…but I believe in the destiny. I believe it. (deep breath, pause) and you can’t change the destiny. Whatever it’s uh (laughs) whatever is reserve for you, it’s what it is Maria, it’s…. but of course nothing easy in life…um…I believe it, if you want something you really have to work hard. I did work hard, I took any kinda job, I work, if they ask me to stay 5-10 min to get the extra dollar I woulda stay to work, over time…um…but, you know, because I wanna better life for my kids
Me: Did you stop going to work when Zio was born?
Ida: I stop to work after we move in this house, I didn’t wanna stop to working because then I have a car, I could drive, I have good money that time I use to make over 140 dollars a week, so I mean, that time was a lotta money, I use to love my job…um…I use to have lot of friend there, was nice. But then, Nonno that time was making good money, and my mother in law start to say “Well you know this house is too big” So then, I was with Marylou, ’75,’76? 5-6 was you mom, so they force me to stay home, so I stay home. Then I learned how to sew, and I never be bored. So, then I start to, use to sewing…so it’s okay…. it’s okay…and now it um…I can sit back and relax (laughs) ….No…(whispering) I think the lasagna smells good. (laughing)
Me: (laughing) Okay, let’s go check on the lasagna.
Intervista di Ida Paolucci – Video
La Vita di Ida Paolucci in italia https://youtu.be/3BOSls7XM50
La Vita di Ida Paolucci in Canada https://youtu.be/aZfvQULI5z8